Agenda and minutes

Licensing Sub-Committee - Wednesday, 27th November, 2019 10.00 am

Venue: Council Chamber - Council Offices. View directions

Contact: Linda Yarham 

Items
No. Item

1.

TO RECEIVE APOLOGIES FOR ABSENCE

Minutes:

None.

2.

ITEMS OF URGENT BUSINESS

To determine any other items of business which the Chairman decides should be considered as a matter of urgency pursuant to Section 100B(4)(b) of the Local Government Act 1972.

Minutes:

None.

3.

DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST

Members are asked at this stage to declare any interests that they may have in any of the following items on the agenda.  The Code of Conduct for Members requires that declarations include the nature of the interest and whether it is a disclosable pecuniary interest.

Minutes:

None.

4.

EXCLUSION OF PRESS AND PUBLIC

To pass the following resolution:

 

“That under Section 100A(4) of the Local Government Act 1972 the press and public be excluded from the meeting for the following items of business on the grounds that they involve the likely disclosure of exempt information as defined in paragraph 1 of Part I of Schedule 12A (as amended) to the Act.”

Minutes:

RESOLVED

 

That under Section 100A(4) of the Local Government Act 1972 the press and public be excluded from the meeting for the following items of business on the grounds that they involve the likely disclosure of exempt information as defined in paragraph 1 of Part I of Schedule 12A (as amended) to the Act.

 

5.

(WK/190015640) - Application for a Licence to Drive Hackney Carriage or Private Hire Vehicles in North Norfolk

Summary:

This report relates to an application for a taxi drivers licence where a medical has been received which merits further consideration.

 

Conclusions:

Members may wish to go into Private session to hear fully from the applicant and consider this matter in confidence. 

 

Recommendations:

That Members consider and determine this application.

 

 

 

 

Chairman of the Licensing Committee

Councillor P Butikofer

All

 

Contact Officer, telephone number, and e?mail:

 

Lara Clare

lara.clare@north-norfolk.gov.uk

01263 516252

 

 

Minutes:

Present: Applicant

 

The Chairman introduced the Panel Members and Officers, and explained the procedure for the meeting.

 

The Licensing Enforcement Officer presented the report, which related to an application to drive Hackney Carriage or Private Hire Vehicles in North Norfolk where there were matters relating to the Applicant’s medical report which required consideration.  An extract from the DVLA guidance for medical practitioners which was relevant to this case was circulated to the Sub-Committee. 

 

The Licensing Enforcement Officer reported that the Applicant’s DBS check and references had been received and were acceptable.  Copies of the references were circulated.

 

The Applicant answered Members’ questions relating to his medical condition.  He explained the background and how he had sought help in dealing with the condition.  Although it had been difficult, he had worked hard to overcome the problems and was doing well.  He also answered questions relating to his previous employment, recent redundancy and caring responsibilities.

 

The Applicant confirmed that he felt fit enough to deal with taxi work.  He said that he had always been good with the public and considered that he could handle the stress of driving a taxi.  He preferred to work in the evenings because of his caring responsibilities.  Most jobs would be around the local area and his prospective employer did not often carry out runs to the nightclubs in Norwich.  He was trained to deal with difficult people and had previously been a shop steward.

 

The Licensing Enforcement Officer asked the Applicant why his medical had been undertaken in Ipswich.  The Applicant explained that his prospective employer was desperate for drivers.  He could not get a private appointment with his GP in time and Spire in Norwich no longer carried out the tests, but he was able to get an appointment in Ipswich.  The doctor who carried out the test had access to his full medical history.

 

The Sub-Committee retired at 10.20 am and returned at 11.20 am.

 

The Chairman read the determination. 

 

RESOLVED

 

That the licence be granted for a period of one year and that the Applicant is required to supply an up-to-date medical certificate within 6 months.

6.

(WK/190014697) - Review of a Licence to Drive Hackney Carriage or Private Hire Vehicles in North Norfolk

Summary:

This report relates to a review of a taxi drivers licence where a Disclosure and Barring Service Report has not been received on request.

Conclusions:

Members may wish to go into Private session to hear fully from the applicant and consider this matter in confidence. 

Recommendations:

That Members consider and determine this application.

 

 

Chairman of the Licensing Committee

Councillor P Butikofer

All

Contact Officer, telephone number, and e?mail:

 

Lara Clare

lara.clare@north-norfolk.gov.uk

01263 516252

 

 

Minutes:

Present: Licence Holder and Licence Holder’s mother

 

The Chairman introduced the Panel Members and Officers and explained the procedure for the meeting.

 

The Licensing Enforcement Officer presented the report, which related to the review of a Licence to drive Hackney Carriage or Private Hire Vehicles in North Norfolk where the Licence Holder had failed to supply a current DBS report.  The licence had been suspended pending receipt of the DBS.

 

Councillor H Blathwayt asked what “suspended” meant in this context.

 

The Licensing Enforcement Officer explained that the worksheet had been marked as “licence not live” on the Council’s database.  No action had been taken against the Licence Holder.

 

The Sub-Committee questioned the Licence Holder as to why he had not provided a DBS certificate.

 

The Licence Holder explained that his licence had expired while he was unwell and, with his permission, his employer had renewed his licence and taken the cost from his wages.  He had not been able to afford to renew the DBS.  He had been unable to drive due to his illness and had requested a refund of his licence fee, which had been refused.

 

The Licensing Enforcement Officer answered questions with regard to the process for obtaining a DBS certificate.   She also explained that although the Licence Holder had a current DBS certificate with another authority, he had not subscribed to the update service and therefore the DBS was not portable to NNDC.

 

The Chairman asked who had signed the application form for the licence renewal.  The hearing was briefly suspended to allow the Licensing Enforcement Officer to provide copies of the application form and supporting documentation.  The application form bore the Licence Holder’s signature.  The Licence Holder confirmed that his employer had completed the form and he had signed it.

 

Councillor N Lloyd asked if normal procedure had been followed in issuing a licence and how long the procedure had been in place.  The Licensing Enforcement Officer confirmed that the procedure had been followed and it had been in place since 2012.

 

The Legal Advisor asked what the Council’s policy was for retaining licences which were not used, and if the Council retained ownership of expired licences.  The Licensing Enforcement Officer explained that licences were held in a safe until they had expired or the appropriate documentation had been supplied.  It was stated on the licences that they remained the property of NNDC.

 

During the hearing, the Licence Holder and his mother made comments and expressed concerns in relation to the following matters:

·       The licence should not have been issued without a DBS certificate.

·       Why had the process taken so long when there was only a month’s grace period?

·       Without a DBS check there was no proof that the Licence Holder had not committed any offence(s).

·       If an initial application is declined, the applicant gets a refund.  The applicant had been told by his employer that he would be unlikely to get the licence but that he would get his money back.

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